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Nancy

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spiritual "children"
« on: June 05, 2010, 02:13:14 PM »
Over the past few years, I've seen how the Old Testament showed things in the physical realm where the New Testament showed them in the spiritual realm.

In the Old Testament, Israel battled physical enemies. In the New Testament, we're told that we struggle not against flesh and blood, but against the spiritual forces of evil (Eph 6). In the Old Testament, material prosperity seemed to be a sign of God's blessing (i.e. Solomon, Job at the end of his life, and others). In the New Testament, Jesus talked about treasures in heaven and Paul wrote about the spiritual blessings (Eph 1) we have.

And then, in Genesis, God's command to Adam and Eve was to go forth and multiply - physical reproduction. Jesus, before He left earth, commanded to go and make disciples - spiritual reproduction.

In light of that one specifically, I started to become convinced of the importance of spiritual reproduction. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not against believers raising children, especially not when they're being raised in solid, godly homes.

What I'm saying is that I believe the significance of reproduction has moved from the physical realm to the spiritual realm in the New Testament.

One weekend recently, my youngest nephew (6) came for a sleepover. On the Friday night, he prayed for salvation with me, and it was so special to have that opportunity with him. What made it even more special was that it was Mother's Day weekend, as though God was confirming what I'd been believing about spiritual "children."

I don't know what else to say, but my heart's desire is to encourage pursuit of the things important in the spiritual realm.

Rx

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Re: spiritual "children"
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2010, 10:21:27 PM »

Quote from: Nancy
...I started to become convinced of the importance of spiritual reproduction... What I'm saying is that I believe the significance of reproduction has moved from the physical realm to the spiritual realm in the New Testament...

Praise God Nancy.

 Thanks for reminding us of the empasis on our "Father's business". It boggles my concept of parenting to think of how many unsheperded folk there are on out tiny little planet, for so many reasons. Bringing our minds back to the basics of "Christ and him crucified" really helps to cement every Christian at the foundation of discipling, first our own selves but then, especially the little ones.

  I have a feeling the enemy wants that work stopped most of all. You need to  be resolved to press into it, come what may.  Pray for those who have made themselves accountable to those precious charges.

... in due season we shall reap, if we faint not...


Xenoglossa

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Re: spiritual "children"
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2010, 02:57:33 AM »
Over the past few years, I've seen how the Old Testament showed things in the physical realm where the New Testament showed them in the spiritual realm.

[...] (Post redacted by Xenoglossa. See the The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism

And then, in Genesis, God's command to Adam and Eve was to go forth and multiply - physical reproduction. Jesus, before He left earth, commanded to go and make disciples - spiritual reproduction.

In light of that one specifically, I started to become convinced of the importance of spiritual reproduction. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not against believers raising children, especially not when they're being raised in solid, godly homes.

What I'm saying is that I believe the significance of reproduction has moved from the physical realm to the spiritual realm in the New Testament.

The way I see it, the significance has always been on spiritual reproduction.

What expecting parent says to himself: "I hope I have an Ishmael or an Esau!" ... or a Cain, a Lamech, a Moab, or a Ammon, or any other person who's spirit is alienated from God?

When Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living, did he think to himself: "I can't wait to be the progenitor of billions of physical sinners!"

Perhaps some parent thinks: "My physical child doesn't want to love God! What a great opportunity for God to display His justice by condemning this being, who's existence is the consequence of my choice to physically reproduce, to an existence of perpetual ignorance of the being and fountain of all goodness! I can't wait to see this little sinner suffer the consequences!" But is this the way anyone who loves God, from either OT to NT times, thinks?

The way I see it, should we and our physical children fail to know, love, and obey God, He can raise up children of the promise from the very stones, and they'll cry out, "Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!" and "Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!"

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One weekend recently, my youngest nephew (6) came for a sleepover. On the Friday night, he prayed for salvation with me, and it was so special to have that opportunity with him. What made it even more special was that it was Mother's Day weekend, as though God was confirming what I'd been believing about spiritual "children."

I don't know what else to say, but my heart's desire is to encourage pursuit of the things important in the spiritual realm.

In my opinion, you've been given a greater gift than the gift of merely being the physical mother of this child. Not that the physical mother doesn't share in the spiritual life of her child, but you were there, and God used you as the proximate instrument of His grace at the most crucial point of this being's existence. Your influence on this child has had everlasting consequences of the best sort. And you are free in a way that the physical mother isn't free to reproduce this effect in the lives of numerous others, and you are free to nurture this child and numerous others in a way that the mother isn't free, because she will be toiling to provide her child with goods that provide for his physical life, but don't necessarily provide for his spiritual life, while you are free of such mundane obligations.

Blessed is the barren woman, for she will stretch out her then pegs.

[//rant]

Your post set me off. If I've gone too far, please let me know.

Rx

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Spritual Adoption vs Abortion
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2010, 02:38:00 PM »
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   :) Too many implications.  :P I confess SMF has done "adequately" in accepting many "universal" formatting tags. Someday perhaps these features wont be so proprietary, since it seems like html styles are ultimately the base text mark-up language on all bulletin board brands.

Seriously now, i do tend to embrace a more broadly  *spiritual* emphasis on both the old and new testaments, than the average evangelical does, especially regarding the  olde testament... just as I percieve you do...

(don't hear me saying "metaphysical"),

BUT, I also acknowlege that Nancy hasn't bestowed this bias out of thin air either: I think its worth airing regularly, as long as carbon dating is being taken seriously.

I wasnt entirely sure what connection you intended by inserting
The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism into Nancy's quote.  Tho, doubtless I can see the potential connections otherwise.  Whether Protestant or Catholic, I often stand agast, wondering how both could apply such censure to certain truths. Never the less...

... Jesus said unto him,
Forbid him not:
 for he that is not against us is for us
...
Luke 9:49-50

And you, being dead in your sins
 and the uncircumcision of your flesh,
 hath he quickened together with him,
having forgiven you all trespasses;
Blotting out the
 handwriting of ordinances that was against us,
 which was contrary to us,
and took it out of the way,
nailing it to his cross;
And having spoiled principalities and powers,
 he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it

Colossians 2:13-15

C_Ruth

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Re: spiritual "children"
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2010, 08:07:18 PM »
That was a special privilege, Nancy.  God bless you as you continue to nurture godly seed as an aunt, and in all the other spiritual children God brings into your life.

Xenoglossa

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Re: spiritual "children"
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2010, 09:29:30 PM »
Seriously now, i do tend to embrace a more broadly  *spiritual* emphasis on both the old and new testaments, than the average evangelical does, especially regarding the  olde testament... just as I percieve you do...

(don't hear me saying "metaphysical"),

BUT, I also acknowlege that Nancy hasn't bestowed this bias out of thin air either: I think its worth airing regularly, as long as carbon dating is being taken seriously.

It wasn't taken out of thin air. I apologize if my post made it sound as though it were.

Me? Take carbon dating seriously? I might. But You? You take scripture more seriously than almost anyone I know. At least, anyone I know who is nearly as hardcore as you is a young earth creationist. If you're not, I'd be interested in hearing why. (I'm on the fence. I'd like to be a YEC, but I know no slam-dunk arguments for that level of scriptural inerrancy other than if Genesis isn't literally true, then the foundations of many historically held doctrines are eroded, making it harder to defend the Creation, Fall, Redemption worldview.)

I wasnt entirely sure what connection you intended by inserting
The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism into Nancy's quote.  Tho, doubtless I can see the potential connections otherwise.  Whether Protestant or Catholic, I often stand agast, wondering how both could apply such censure to certain truths.

I mentioned Weber's work, because I think it's a mistake to place much emphasis on physical blessings, because the vastly superior blessings are spiritual, (as, I think, they always have been). The PWE, and the SofC makes plain the perils of using physical value or achievement as a measuring stick for spiritual value or achievement.


Never the less...

... Jesus said unto him,
Forbid him not:
 for he that is not against us is for us
...
Luke 9:49-50

And you, being dead in your sins
 and the uncircumcision of your flesh,
 hath he quickened together with him,
having forgiven you all trespasses;
Blotting out the
 handwriting of ordinances that was against us,
 which was contrary to us,
and took it out of the way,
nailing it to his cross;
And having spoiled principalities and powers,
 he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it

Colossians 2:13-15

I can kinda see why you included the first passage, but I admit the second passage, (especially it's bolded segment), is over my head. Can you expand?

Rx

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Re: spiritual "children"
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2010, 12:02:14 PM »
Me? Take carbon dating seriously? I might. But You?
  ( My apologies for the delay. Could get worse soon tho. Stuff is a tad unstable ATM.....)  Um... I really do reject carbon dating, even for dates as recent as the industrial age,  although my reference with regard to Nancy's thoughts about the new testament emphasis on spritiuality applies to both testaments:

 ANY renewal of focus on spritual parenting is uplifting,
 where  truths are so  universally rejected
 based on our mesmerism with bad theories.

Carbon dating, and the dating of fossil layers by such methods, relies on a false assumptions, in my opinion:  The decay rate of carbon 14 may be stable but it's a jump to conclude that the atmospheric concentration has always been predictable. I urge EVERYONE to sample Dr. Dino's take on the matter for some serious healing of your embrace of a still small voice.


...I admit the second passage, (especially it's bolded segment), is over my head. Can you expand?
The "handwriting of ordinances that was against us" seems to be a reference to old testament cleansing. But I confess what I intended was that we should keep in mind the implication which the "position papers" and man made religious rules of today have, which

SOOOO HORRIFY believers,

such that they doubt their salvation at every turn, and even abandon it.  Much of organized religion sounds more like Naziism than anything, to my ears: Every one finding superiority in "THEIR RACE" of beflief... thank God for the "Nancy's" who brave it,  and show up at Sunday School every week to nuture the babes.

Tight hugs folks.
Pray about being ready physically also.
These are related concepts, not exclusive ones.

And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords.
 And he said unto them, It is enough.